Laura became a registered member 2 months, 3 weeks ago
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Please check the sources for this article. John D. Rockefeller Jr. did not have much interest in AA. His people did. Willard Richardson, Frank Amos, Albert Scott, and A. Leroy Chipman were the men involved with AA over the years. The 1940 meeting was NOT when AA became self supporting. As a result of this meeting, Rockefeller associates contributed up to $3,000 a year up until 1945. Jay D. Moore’s book is highly recommended as an accurate source.
Marty Mann’s story was not the first woman’s story in the Big Book. Her story was one of the eleven stories written by women in the 2nd edition. Florence Rankin’s story was the only female alcoholic in the first edition in a story named “A Feminine Victory.”
This recording is great!!. My home group plays it at the beginning of our meeting!
My name is Gavin and I am an alcoholic.
My alcohol and drug addiction I must separate so I may fulfill my primary purpose, which is as a member of AA to help the still suffering alcoholic. There are other fellowships that deal with drugs and other addictions like eating or sex.
AA is for alkies to recover. I must remember this. I share in a general way about alcoholism but I do mention that I abused drugs as well, but that is all it is, a mention. If someone then wants to talk to me FTF after the meeting great, I have opened a door for them to approach me and discuss any drug issues. Drug addiction like any addiction is a mental illness usually brought about by a lack of moral, social and spiritual guidance.
The little old lady or man who enters AA may have never seen or heard of these other drugs associated with addicts before. We must be very gentle yet direct with our message of hope, their lives depend upon our message. We need to lose the ego. END
At the end of my drinking career, it was common for me to ‘come to’ with wine bottles lying about me, tinfoil stuck to my forehead and blue die from the vallie’s dribbling from my mouth. Yes, I was in some nic.
Keeping it simple, how can I help another alcoholic if as a newcomer they get a filtered message. A newcomer who is sitting shaking and sweating only wants to know what is wrong with them and how to stop drinking. They don’t need to know what it’s like not to get a vein and have to shoot up in the neck or how our blood vessels in our nose are knackered with the coke and speed and we have no sense of smell anymore. keep it real guys and learn to listen.
This is a serious illness; this we must remember.
Alcoholism is a progressive disease. It is twofold in nature. It is a physical and mental illness. ‘Physical’, because we have a shortage of enzymes that break down the sugars in alcohol. And ‘Mental’, as it overtakes all reality. It takes complete control over the mind in its obsessive nature. Cunning baffling and powerful king alcohol is to the alcoholic. It teaches its student to accept the unacceptable and to stoop to lows that can be unforgivable. And at the same time, we think there is nothing wrong with our compulsive, obsessive behaviour. I could not see it, I was blind.
‘THE DOCTORS OPINION’
We of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the reader will be interested in the medical estimate of the plan of recovery described in this book. Convincing testimony must surely come from medical men who have had experience with the sufferings of our members and have witnessed our return to health. A well-known doctor, chief physician at a nationally prominent hospital specializing in alcoholic and drug addiction, gave Alcoholics Anonymous this letter:
To Whom It May Concern:
I have specialized in the treatment of alcoholism for many years. In late 1934 I attended a patient who, though he had been a competent businessman of good earning capacity, was an alcoholic of a type I had come to regard as hopeless.
In the course of his third treatment he acquired certain ideas concerning a possible means of recovery. As part of his rehabilitation he commenced to present his conceptions to other alcoholics, impressing upon them that they must do likewise with still others. This has become the basis of a rapidly growing fellowship of these men and their families. This man and over one hundred others appear to have recovered.
I personally know scores of cases who were of the type with whom other methods had failed completely.
These facts appear to be of extreme medical importance; because of the extraordinary possibilities of rapid growth inherent in this group they may mark a new epoch in the annals of alcoholism. These men may well have a remedy for thousands of such situations. You may rely absolutely on anything they say about themselves.
Very truly yours,
William D. Silkworth, M.D.
The physician who, at our request, gave us this letter, has been kind enough to enlarge upon his views in another statement which follows. In this statement he confirms what we who have suffered alcoholic torture must believe—that the body of the alcoholic is quite as abnormal as his mind. It did not satisfy us to be told that we could not control our drinking just because we were maladjusted to life, that we were in full flight from reality, or were outright mental defectives. These things were true to some extent, in fact, to a considerable extent with some of us. But we are sure that our bodies were sickened as well. In our belief, any picture of the alcoholic which leaves out this physical factor is incomplete.
I believe I’ve been afflicted with this dis-ease from the day I was born, possibly passed on through my mother’s family. There is some controversy on this subject but this is unfounded.
New research shows that the alcoholic has less of a certain type of enzyme in their body. These enzymes break down the sugars of alcohol when ingested. I believe I have always been deficient in these enzymes. Joe McQ has a video (step 1) on Youtube that explains this very well. He works with simple diagrams on a blackboard.
This lack of acids in our body is what causes the physical allergy to occur. This allergy will only be set up ‘After’ the first drink has been taken. Only ‘After’ drinking alcohol do we experience this phenomenon of craving and its powerful effects and not before. Any thoughts and feelings that come before taking a drink of alcohol is part of the mental obsession and physical withdrawal.
When we are withdrawing from drugs we feel physically better after taking our first hit. The shakes and sweats start to subside and we come back together enough to let us move about our daily lives with some degree of normality. We are ‘fixed’. And have no need for another hit until we start to withdraw again, which could be hours later. We can work our daily lives around the drugs even with family and work commitments. We have regular times throughout the day when we top up or sneak off and take a hit. After getting sorted a drug addict will usually go back to their work satisfied.
The alcoholic can do this to some degree and in some industries it is accepted or not noticed as much, as with the alcohol industry. But eventually the alcoholic will at some point press the ‘fuck it’ button and end up totally pissed at work or walking out and heading to the nearest public house for a drink. Our intention would be only to have one drink to sort us out. We promise we will be back after one or two. Although after the first drink has been taken our feet are nailed to the bar floor and we return to work a week later full of remorse. That’s if we still have a job to go back to.
Let me put this another way.
A heroin user will usually only take a hit when they start to come down from the high. With this first hit, they do not set up a craving that will continually force them to keep injecting themselves with heroin one after the other. The outcome would be obvious, death would quickly follow. We are not stupid. Another example would be a cocaine or amphetamine addict.
Putting a hundred lines on a mirror and snorting one after the other every 15 minutes will eventually lead to a heart attack, we just wouldn’t do such a stupid thing.
Another example would be building a load of cannabis joints and smoking them one after the other. In doing this, I am in no doubt I would eventually fall asleep. I have done this a few times, and yes a total waste of money and weed. This, of course, would be stupid as well.
The mental obsession is usually satisfied somewhat after we take one or two hits from our drug of choice whether it be alcohol or drugs. The withdrawals are removed or reduced and life becomes settled once again. This is not the case with the alcoholic. Once the mental obsession has been quelled by taking the first drink we are doomed to continue. We set up the phenomenon of craving that ensures we keep drinking.
Put a hundred whiskey’s on a table in front of an alcoholic and they will try and get through them in one sitting, eventually getting so drunk they cannot lift the glass from the table. At this point the alcoholic would vomit up what he has just drunk, remarking that ‘that was a waste!’ then continue to drink the other whiskey that’s left on the table if any. 99% of the time the alcoholic will eventually get through them all, if not he would certainly have the remainder bottle and sent home with him.
Unlike the drugs, once we take the first drink of alcohol our body craves more, we set up a craving that is beyond our mental control. After the first hit with drugs, we gain some degree of mental control on how much we take. This is not the case with alcohol, far from it.
The mental side of this illness tells us if we get a drink of alcohol we will feel better. And the physical side ensures that after taking the first one we keep on drinking till we fall down.
I also understand that not all alcoholics have this lack of enzymes I have spoken of to begin with. We may be born with enough enzymes but as we grow older we produce less of these chemicals and in turn become alcoholic at any age. This is a progressive illness that never gets better, only worse.
This means the deterioration does not stop when we put the cork on the bottle. It carries on in our body.
This physical side of the illness does not limit itself to the alcoholic but is a natural process in the human body. Although with non-alcoholics their enzyme count never drops below a certain level.
An alcoholic will put down alcohol for many years, but if ever tempted to drink again will soon pick up where they left off and rapidly deteriorate into the hell they left behind as if their drinking had never stopped at all. For instance, If I was using two bottles before I stopped drinking, I would very quickly be using the same amounts and possibly more within the first weeks or even days of taking the first drink again. This massive toxic overdose to the body can lead to heart, liver and kidney failure as well as many other serious health issues.
Quite simply if I had an allergy to peanuts would I go ahead and eat them ? No. That would be very stupid. Whether this is inherited or not, it is a progressive illness.
I was told that my alcoholism is but only a symptom of a deeper underlying problem. I have found that problem to be me and my attitudes. Alcohol acted like medicine for me. Alcohol brings comfort to most people not just alcoholics. I drank when I was sad or happy, angry or lonely. I drank on any occasion and for any reason. Alcohol gave me courage, strength, confidence and a false sense of security. Alcohol can also give the non-alcoholic these same feelings. The only difference between myself and a non-alcoholic is the phenomena of craving that an alcoholic sets up after taking the first drink. If I had never touched alcohol before I would still lack these enzymes in my body. This lack of acids is completely harmless to me as long as I stay away from alcohol.
This dis-ease does not discriminate between classes. It’ll take the doctor and the lawyer, the judge and the priest. It knows not when to stop. It will take the car and house, the wife and children and eventually will come back and take us to the grave, that’s if we are fortunate enough and don’t end up with Korsakoff syndrome.
Love & light
This is my 18th General Service Conference — the first two as a director of the Grapevine and A.A.W.S., followed by four as a general service trustee. In 1972, I rotated out completely, only to be called back two years later as general manager of G.S.O., the service job I held until late 1984. Since the 1985 International Convention, of course, I have been senior adviser. This is also my last Conference, so this is an emotionally charged experience.
I wish I had time to express my thanks to everyone to whom I am indebted for my sobriety and for the joyous life with which I have been blessed for the past nearly 25 years. But since this is obviously impossible, I will fall back on the Arab saying that Bill quoted in his last message, “I thank you for your lives.” For without your lives, I most certainly would have no life at all, much less the incredibly rich life I have enjoyed.
Let me offer my thoughts about A.A.’s future. I have no truck with those bleeding deacons who decry every change and view the state of the Fellowship with pessimism and alarm. On the contrary, from my nearly quarter-century’s perspective, I see A.A. as larger, healthier, more dynamic, faster growing, more global, more service-minded, more back-to-basics, and more spiritual — by far — than when I came through the doors of my first meeting in Greenwich, Connecticut, just one year after the famous [July 1960] Long Beach Convention. A.A. has flourished beyond the wildest dreams of founding members, though perhaps not of Bill himself, for he was truly visionary.
I echo those who feel that if this Fellowship ever falters or fails, it will not be because of any outside cause. No, it will not be because of treatment centers or professionals in the field, or non-Conference-approved literature, or young people, or the dually-addicted, or even the “druggies” trying to come to our closed meetings. If we stick close to our Traditions, Concepts, and Warranties, and if we keep an open mind and an open heart, we can deal with these and any other problems that we have or ever will have. If we ever falter and fail, it will be simply because of us. It will be because we can’t control our own egos or get along well enough with each other. It will be because we have too much fear and rigidity and not enough trust and common sense.
If you were to ask me what is the greatest danger facing A.A. today, I would have to answer: the growing rigidity — the increasing demand for absolute answers to nit-picking questions; pressure for G.S.O. to “enforce” our Traditions; screening alcoholics at closed meetings; prohibiting non-Conference-approved literature, i.e., “banning books”; laying more and more rules on groups and members. And in this trend toward rigidity, we are drifting farther and farther away from our co- founders. Bill, in particular, must be spinning in his grave, for he was perhaps the most permissive person I ever met. One of his favorite sayings was, “Every group has the right to be wrong.” He was maddeningly tolerant of his critics, and he had absolute faith that faults in A.A. were self-correcting.
Tim did you write this? If so congratulations on such a well written article, if not thank you for posting such a well written article!
All the best,
Hi Ashley, yes I wrote this. Thank you so much for the compliment and feedback!
I tried to send an email to my wife with Bill W sharing his spiritual experience,but it did not function.
I found this share very empowering.
Inspiring talk. Lots of common sense passed on.
There is great sensitivity on the subject of Bobbie B. in certain circles. I have heard that relatives (or a relative) of Bobbie B. have over the years desired to keep her to be anonymous to our fellowship for reasons that can only be surmised. However, since our leaders are but trusted servants and do not govern, the true story of Bobbie B. may never be revealed without a collective group conscience of the pertinent group within AA designated to be responsible for such a decision. This group probably is the Board of Trustees, but I will gladly stand corrected on the subject.
As a possible compromise with regards to the personal privacy and anonymity of a given AA member and ex-employee of what today we call the GSO, here might be a proposed solution towards how this matter might be fairly resolved. The Board of Trustees ruled on July 25, 1949 that her job was officially vacant. Any events that took place after that date can be considered private and not an appropriate AA issue. However, any action she performed as a representative of AA prior to that date is legitimately AA history. Thus, her activities prior to July 25, 1949 should be available to be studied and evaluated.
Many people, possibly thousands of people, owe their sobriety to Bobbie B. Her correspondence to World War II soldiers very possibly is of a heroic nature. Documenting just how many letters she wrote in a single day might reveal a miraculous commitment to the growth of the fellowship. Bobbie helped build the AA of today through her tremendous effort and commitment. She helped create the AA Traditions through her experiences relayed to Bill. To ignore her contributions contradicts Bill W.’s stated legacy of what this woman accomplished and deserved. The sooner her story is told, the better the fellowship will appreciate the sacrifices she made on our behalf so others might live.
I so benefitted from this article. It was great to be reminded that this new life is a process & never finished; that real recovery isn’t only not drinking but learning to confront & deal with those emotions that I was numbing myself to. Thank you for the article, Alison.
Funny and real. Identification is the key to recovery. Thank you Lori G.
I copied the prayer at the end and cried with you . I needed this so badly tonight and God delivered.
I was lucky to have Winnie as my grand sponsor. She taught me so much about letting go.
Great share. Talk about the power of God.
Very nice talk.
God Bless Mustafa
Art took me to my second meeting in ’83 and I was to develop a relationship with he and my wife with his wife Mary.
Can’t wait to see Angie again and give her a big hug! Thanks for carrying the message!
Angie is a wonderful person who is helping my family in recovery! Thanks for being you Angie!
Angle is a wonderful person who is helping my family in recovery! Thanks for being you Angle!
Is the full audio of this lead available? It cuts off too soon.
Wow!!!! powerful words from a man who’s been thru it … Good to hear !!
Could you please tell me if you have managed to fix this website? All the talks I try to listen to still do not stream down completely and all return to the beginning after approximately 2-4 mins return to the beginning of the talk hence I cannot listen to any complete talks?????
Do I need to delete the app and start again? I am really missing listening to these talks, please help, thNks t
How can I download this to my lap top so I can listen on my mp3 player?
Love Chuck C. He taught me the inside job. His tapes I mean.
I still cannot get any of these CD’S to play for more than a few minuets with out it re-starting?
A week ago I reported this and was told its a server problem that will be sorted out within a couple of days?
This is an amazing recovery resource when it works! I’m getting withdrawals! From not using it!! T
Bill W. was a truly modest and an outstanding genius.
I read the Big Book almost nightly and read his words more carefully than I other alcoholic books. May he live forever in our hearts and minds!
Thank you Mike,
It was more than heartwarming to again hear David A., who I had the privilege to know and chauffeur to speaker meetings during the early years of my sobriety. David A. always keeps it simple, humorous and spiritual without preaching. This is one of his best talks, because he tells of his experience, strength and hope gained from AA at its most basic.
These CDs keep stoping and restarting after only a couple of minuets, just enough play to frustrate me because I can not hear the rest. T
Drew T is awesome.
It wasn’t a complete lead, I think he is a good speaker, but it repeated the beginning three times
great stuff thanks
Are these talks listened to and voted on before they are put up?
As you can see ~ when have a large & growing library of recovery talks. We listen to each talk & decide to post it on the site if it meets our selection criteria. Great question ~ thanks for asking Hank.
This totally blessed me, what a beautiful story!! I especially loved Ramona’s description of her God <3 <3 <3 Thank you.
I have been looking for this series by David A for months. Thank you so much for this treasure. Is there any way I can download this series or purchase it? Thank you. Greg S
I would like to be able to download some of the talks to be able to listen to them over and over. I love to listen in my car on long trips. Is it possible?
Thank you. I have been looking for this for 4 years.I borrowed this cd from my sponsor to listen to it with my sponse but left it in his car and he got arrested and the car was impounded along with this cd.my sponsor was upset.Needless that was 4 years ago but thanks to you we have it now.
Thank you for your love and service. I loved the quote from Dr. Bob
“Also let us remember to guard that erring member-the tongue-and if we must use it, let’s use it with kindness and consideration and tolerance.”
I will remember this today. So glad I stumbled on to this post.
yours in fellowship and service.
Shay, Palm Springs
who wrote the above letter?>
Hi ken, Blog was written by a friend helping out with the site. Bill G. of Tempe AZ
Thanks for sharing!
This tape blew me away with Lori’s honesty and the story that shows her amazing faith in God and these programs. I would love to talk to her someday, if it be gods will 🙂 His love knows no bounds, and this tape reminded me of that so much. Thank you to whoever shared this. “Whatever we go through, it is worth it.”
Oh goodness – I couldn’t listen to it all. Too preachy. Too much sermon. Is that what it was like telling of your story in the 50’s?
some people are just a little preachy in their talks anyways. Perhaps if I would have listened on, there would have been an AA message in there somewhere;)
Wonderful to listen to an honest open recovery speaker. Thanks.
I enjoy listening to and learning from all of June G.’s talks. I have her story almost memorized. The details never grow old.
Really struck a chord w/me. I liked how he emphasized meetings and helping orher people as key elements in recovery.
I meant other people.
Thank you for your story. Not only did it give me great insite on starting the program. (4 days sober) but it made me laugh. Best, Jazz
I like that he didn’t have to say I’m Oliver an alcoholic.
Thank you. I notice that Pat didn’t mention disease. I really like that he said problem.
What I like is that the book calls it an illness. Today most people get into the disease idea and keep themselves sick. You hardly ever hear someone say they are recovered. It is a very powerful word and gives hope to the newcomer.
The speaker’s name in Lynn, not Gwen. Here’s a link to provide more details…
Thanks for your website!!!
I really love the juvenile nature of this talk. I love to hear this in a fashion that speaks an almost lack of understanding of alcoholism. Almost innocent.
I’ve tried two Bob Earll (Long time Sponsor) tapes and they cut off at around 5 minutes, what am I doing wrong??? Do I need to join something, pay $$, which I’m okay with if you would let me know, thanks…
Because of the volume of data we’ve been using we have had a few similar issues. We are testing some options to resolve the problem. Please continue to check back and we’ll post something when we get the fix,
I have to question the date on this. At 3:30 into the talk Sandy says he has had the same sponsor for 36.5 years. He was born in the 30th got sober in 63 or 64 and the talk is in 64? I could be wrong but something doesn’t seem right.
Thanks for putting this together it’s an are site.
I loved cliffs story it had me in their I stopped going to a a and took my new husband that wouldn’t leave me alone in their.i didn’t know me little to want to dragg him through it with 3yrs sober so with 4 I married him WOW I wasn’t right but I don’t run and that’s fun and this talk shows me I can drink again..
How can I download these talks? I think it’s only fair that if I’m willing to upload the talks that I have, you would be willing to make these available to download.
We have made the site so that it can be used on all platforms – smartphones, computers, ipad, etc. We are also making this site and its contents available for free. At this time we do not have a download option. I hope you understand and you’re under NO obligation to donate any recordings.
The recording cut off and wouldn’t start again about five minutes into the talk..
Please try listening to the talk again, you can fast forward once you open it again. This problem has occurred on certain devices you might consider trying a different device and see if that solves your problem.
Great idea you have here. I will try to upload some tapes once I get them converted. I am disappointed that the capability of downloading these fine talks is not yet available.
Hope this is allowed soon.
Very good pitch, thanks for providing this.
Thank you for making this site. Very helpful!!
If your mother and you need healing by all means listen to this tape. God will speak to you through Mary Pearl. Thank you for your service
Very cool. This was done at my home group. I think there was alot more to it that isn’t here. I believe we have the whole thing and many more in our archives. Lots of workshops. We are in the process of getting them transferred to CD and digital files. We will send you some when that is done. I am wondering were you got this one. I hope someone posts some more. Bob and Tom have been two of the people who have shaped our sobriety and been instrumental helping us with questions of Traditions, Sponsorship and the Home Group since The Paramount Group began in 1999. We are so thankfull for the many great teachers we have had the good fortune of learning from.
I have no record of any of your comments being rejected. I’m glad you’re enjoying the website.
Thank you for these recordings! I have just been to Ireland and Sweden and met drinking people where-ever I went. One drinker is my 13 year old god daughter. Her Mother is in distress about what to do. Thank you Clara S for your wise words. They will give my friend courage to understand and “stand with” her daughter’s disease. Your words and experience will travel to Sweden to a young girl’s broken heart and to her Mother’s heart as well.
I haven’t had a meeting in two weeks! these recordings are a God send for me. Hearing Clara is like listening to my own heart. Than you for your wisdom Clara and thank you for your precious sobriety. I loved the music too and loved it even more when drinking, which was every night. Wine gave me the courage to move and dance to the great music of the 50’s and 60’s and 70’s. Today I can still dance, but with no wine or whining!
Blessings for us all on our path to Recovery.
Gratefully, Suryo in Seattle
Thank you for this wonderful tool.
Nothing is recorded under AA OR Alanon doesn’t have anything to listen to
Please click on the category and then the sub category – there are thousands to select from
Bob Earll one of the best… Very real… He sponsored me for about 5 years became good friends…
Thanks for doing this!
One of the best speakers
Thank you for your share , I enjoyed it